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End · Mar 24, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

i'm not missing the point. i know gw=epeen. but the part about ANYONE can get a el tonic is wrong. 1) not everyone can afford ectos 2) not everyone can go to elite areas for some reason. so tell me how a casual player can afford a el tonic let alone the 20e+ minis or a armbrace? hmmm? didnt think so. i've friends who played for over a year and she cant afford el tonics and i bet a lot of gw players cant either.

you seem to miss the point yet again...

he appears to be pointing out how high end minis and torm weapons also go in the HoM...destroyer weapons were originally intended to be high end and failed because of 600/smite...

while torm weaps are acquirable not all players can afford to acquire them...and they can go in the Hom...

pointing out that just because they are high end doesn't mean they don't belong in the HoM.... your missing the difference between can acquire and can afford to acquire...

please read slower from now on..

btw: you mention friends and then singular she...make up your mind...

AngelWJedi · Mar 24, 2010, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by End

you seem to miss the point yet again...

he appears to be pointing out how high end minis and torm weapons also go in the HoM...destroyer weapons were originally intended to be high end and failed because of 600/smite...

while torm weaps are acquirable not all players can afford to acquire them...and they can go in the Hom...

pointing out that just because they are high end doesn't mean they don't belong in the HoM.... your missing the difference between can acquire and can afford to acquire...

please read slower from now on..

btw: you mention friends and then singular she...make up your mind...

and i point you to read between his lines for yourself. its true he is talking about putting el tonics into hom. but also the way he is talking makes it sound like everyone can afford to buy a el tonic to put it in their hom. and and i did mean friends and friend(aka like a sister if that makes it easer for you to under stand) or should i type slower for you? ^.~

Deviant Angel · Mar 24, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

i'm not missing the point. i know gw=epeen. but the part about ANYONE can get a el tonic is wrong. 1) not everyone can afford ectos 2) not everyone can go to elite areas for some reason. so tell me how a casual player can afford a el tonic let alone the 20e+ minis or a armbrace? hmmm? didnt think so. i've friends who played for over a year and she cant afford el tonics and i bet a lot of gw players cant either.

I'll take get off your ass and play the game for 500, Alex.

Zkeys are free. Hell, if you don't want to try your luck with the chest, sell the damn things for 5k each like everyone else and go buy whatever you want. You don't even have to be good at PvP to earn enough faction for a key. Do AB, RA, or something else that doesn't require an organized group of competent players.

You can farm ectos for a mere 1k. There are builds that still work.

If you only have 15 mins a day for a game, don't whine about not being able to have the things that others have.

As for the original topic, I'm going to go with no. I'd rather see Anet spend their time on other things.

End · Mar 24, 2010, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

and i point you to read between his lines for yourself. its true he is talking about putting el tonics into hom. but also the way he is talking makes it sound like everyone can afford to buy a el tonic to put it in their hom. and and i did mean friends and friend(aka like a sister if that makes it easer for you to under stand) or should i type slower for you? ^.~

ok...sooo your arguing because you feel he insinuated that el tonics are cheap...which is far from the point of the thread...while I disagree and don't feel he was pointing to such...it doesn't matter because it's irrelevant to the topic as other high end shit is in the HoM and was intended to be hard to max

and no...typing slower wouldn't help...but proper spelling as well as keeping the tense and case the same through a sentence might help

(funny who you try and make me look stupid...and only show that you can't tell the difference between plural (friends) and singular (she)....

GWfan#1 · Mar 24, 2010, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

either the person has to be very lucky for them to get one or grind hard for xxxx years to afford one. and causal players cant do that.

A casual player can be very lucky and therefore can obtain an EL tonic. Also since pretty much every player both casual and not was given 10 free Zkeys it only adds to the odds.

J I L T · Mar 24, 2010, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Yes, and while it's too late to do anything in GW1 ANet would be crazy to let it seep through the HoM to a new game as well. Hence you cannot expect to dump a MPB to your monument in GW1 and claim it back in GW2.

It's been confirmed that you won't be able to trade hom rewards. And even if you could they can be obtained an infinite number of times which would drive their prices incredibly low.

In regards to actual idea. The hall has enough statues as is I doubt anymore will be added under any circumstances because all that really does is make more work for anet. It's a safe bet that each statue will give a unique reward so adding more crap just means they need to come up with more rewards. Really the idea of asking for items to be accepted by the hall is ridiculous seeing as how we have no idea what any of the rewards are. Even if we could dedicate tonics you'll have to wait months before you get any benefit at all from it and after so long no one will care anyway.

Completely unknown advantage/payoff and no significant drawback if it isn't implemented so

/not signed

tmakinen · Mar 24, 2010, 07:15 AM // 07:15

I fail to see how the going price of EL tonics has anything to do with the issue, considering that it is possible to dedicate a mini Kanaxai that is more valuable than a complete collection of EL tonics (besides, the monthly ELs are very affordable - anyone who really wants one will be able to scrape together the necessary amount of gold).

While there wouldn't be any harm in letting people dedicate their tonics there wouldn't be any benefit either. The monument is there to be filled, what you fill it with is rather inconsequential. Personally, I find it a pity to leave Rudi behind but c'est la vie. New game, new shinies.

Otello · Mar 24, 2010, 01:21 PM // 13:21

everything that would move the market is good to me.
/signed

isildorbiafra · Mar 25, 2010, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

and i point you to read between his lines for yourself. its true he is talking about putting el tonics into hom. but also the way he is talking makes it sound like everyone can afford to buy a el tonic to put it in their hom. and and i did mean friends and friend(aka like a sister if that makes it easer for you to under stand) or should i type slower for you? ^.~

I dont think typing slower is the issue here. However you could use a grammer course or two.

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Originally Posted by J I L T

It's been confirmed that you won't be able to trade hom rewards.

Please provide us with a link tot the above so mentioned official confirmaton. I cant remember reading this anywhere.

Shayne Hawke · Mar 25, 2010, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

Please provide us with a link tot the above so mentioned official confirmaton. I cant remember reading this anywhere.

Regina said this with some other HoM info on the GW2Guru forum here.

Earth · Mar 25, 2010, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Well, I don't see anything wrong with this idea. However, it seems fairly unlikely that you will be able to transfer stuff over to GW2.

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Originally Posted by isildorbiafra

I dont think typing slower is the issue here. However you could use a grammer course or two.

Please provide us with a link tot the above so mentioned official confirmaton. I cant remember reading this anywhere.

Don't*, grammar*, to*, confirmation*, can't*.

isildorbiafra · Mar 25, 2010, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Earth

Well, I don't see anything wrong with this idea. However, it seems fairly unlikely that you will be able to transfer stuff over to GW2.

Don't*, grammar*, to*, confirmation*, can't*.

Fair enough.

WTB typing course.

Neo Atomisk · Mar 25, 2010, 03:26 PM // 15:26

to expand on this idea, the el fireworks and (if they are implemented) el sugar rush/drunk would be a nice adfition to the HoM also.

Golem · Mar 27, 2010, 02:29 AM // 02:29

Ok, so I have read everyones comments all through the week.

1. Casual Players- Choose to be casual. In life, you can choose to go or not to go to work. You can choose to go to school, or not go to school. You can choose to play WoW, or Guild Wars, or even Runescape. Please don't use the casual player excuse, as you choose how you spend your time and money.

2. Yeah, tonics are expensive if you buy them. I am sorry to who I offended about feeling poor. HOWEVER, my claim still holds that realisticaly, besides henchman and reindeer tonics, that ANYONE can get a everlasting tonic. Whether it be from chest or travler gift or trade, you can still technically get one. Even Everlasting Macabre tonics go for around 100k + a few ectos. It may sound like a little or a lot, but as the cheapest one, it isn't expensive. Even if a build will get nerfed, and we all know it will, there will always be another. As sick as it sounds, have you tried farming? Arenanet hates it, but it might just work for you.

3. If tonics are able to be added in, then there is a possibility that it could or couldn't produce an advantage, so why not risk the chance. Even if you don't want it, why deny others access to this?

What I said may or may not be harsh, you decide, but as far as I know, it is all true.

What I would really like is to see more people who own Everlasting Tonics put up their veiw on this subject, as well as those who don't.

Golem

EDIT: I also added a poll, please vote, and get your friends to vote also.

Dewshine Wildclaw · Mar 27, 2010, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Well... it might not be all that bad an idea... although I can't see why it is wanted either... so neither for or against is me.
And yes casual players can get el tonics with a bit of luck... I mean... one of the easy nick weeks I got mine :P
I don't really see myself getting any others though... as I don't even try getting them... maybe one day I will attempt it.... and if I do I will just have to use the little time on gw to get zkeys or find some decent farming to do... I don't really see it happen but Im not gonna be a hater to those that do want them enough to do things like that.

Ok back to if they should be in HoM... I don't really care... my HoM is already full and I somewhat doubt you get anything extra for filling in beyond what you show... even if you do theres no way anyone can get truly everything (the top rare minies that only have 100 or less in game)

ps. sorry if my post is a mess I rarely do this xD

Terrible Surgeon · Mar 31, 2010, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Sharkinu

HoM is not for stuff with aquisition method based on luck. That's why we cant add every single weapon to HoM: because lets say for a dryad bow or voltaic spear you have no guarantee that you will get one when you open the endchest...you just might get one...same for tonics: you just might get one fron Zhcest.

totally agreeing with this.

Rekliss · Apr 13, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by GWfan#1

A casual player can be very lucky and therefore can obtain an EL tonic. Also since pretty much every player both casual and not was given 10 free Zkeys it only adds to the odds.

Yet for some reason the Luck system in this game is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOED. I see people all the time get BDS's from the chest, EL tonics, High-End weapons/minis from endchests - and others like me never get a damn thing. I ran VSF until max rank..... nothing best of a q9 merch food pos. Ran uw hundreds of times [stacks of stones] - still nothing from the damn endchest worth mentioning; r7.5 Zaishen and STILL nothing but merch food.

I think what they really need to focus on is, if they are going to make high-end stuff viable for the average player, the drop rates need to be spread out a bit. PS maxed asuran from Soo... still nothing - and some players "said" they have gotten douible BDS drops... i mean this is the shit that makes me want to just give up, ya know?

But fix the basics before adding in useless shit; dedicated tonics are a waste of time.

End · Apr 13, 2010, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by Rekliss

Yet for some reason the Luck system in this game is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOED. I see people all the time get BDS's from the chest, EL tonics, High-End weapons/minis from endchests - and others like me never get a damn thing. I ran VSF until max rank..... nothing best of a q9 merch food pos. Ran uw hundreds of times [stacks of stones] - still nothing from the damn endchest worth mentioning; r7.5 Zaishen and STILL nothing but merch food.

I think what they really need to focus on is, if they are going to make high-end stuff viable for the average player, the drop rates need to be spread out a bit. PS maxed asuran from Soo... still nothing - and some players "said" they have gotten douible BDS drops... i mean this is the shit that makes me want to just give up, ya know?

But fix the basics before adding in useless shit; dedicated tonics are a waste of time.

1) nice necro
2) stop QQing about your bad luck? it's luck some people have it some people dont...I don't..Yet I have an El tonic...sooo....QQ elsewhere...
3) your point is irrelevant anyways as we have already pointed out that the HoM was intended to house high end shit...